leoindiano
02-04 09:25 AM
I have been waiting for the FP in the hope that they will be issuing it soon, its already Feb and I have not received it yet. Im the only one who has not recieved the notice yet in my friends circle, I have opened an SR last week. Mine is TSC application. Are there any TSC guys yet to receive the FP notices. Overall are there a significant number of people still waiting or is it just a few of us
Thanks
I am from TSC. My app went thru this TSC-Vermont-TSC cycle. No FP yet. Opened SR twice.
Thanks
I am from TSC. My app went thru this TSC-Vermont-TSC cycle. No FP yet. Opened SR twice.
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munnu77
05-05 09:21 PM
keep pressure on Cronyn to put it on debate by contacting him by fone or fax
lost_in_migration
05-01 04:52 PM
simple1 copy INA in your very 1st and 2nd post or else it would be lost somewhere halfway.
great, thanks to lost_in_migration for posting INA.
sorry snathan I should have posted it earlier myself. it will answer all your questions.
great, thanks to lost_in_migration for posting INA.
sorry snathan I should have posted it earlier myself. it will answer all your questions.
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Macaca
12-10 10:17 AM
I forgot to say that I am going full speed ahead and staying the course.
I am doing the following even if there are 0 takers.
Educate lawmakers about retorgression.
Prioritize interim options based on controversial factor. Some forum posts have good ideas.
Start right now. I don't know how to enjoy holidays without any hope.
I don't understand all the issues (like EAD). In order to proceed, I am trying to understand (= validate + document) the
process and platform (senate/congress) on which retrogression will be addressed.
process and platform on which interim measure can be introduced.
effect of each interim measure.
I am doing the following even if there are 0 takers.
Educate lawmakers about retorgression.
Prioritize interim options based on controversial factor. Some forum posts have good ideas.
Start right now. I don't know how to enjoy holidays without any hope.
I don't understand all the issues (like EAD). In order to proceed, I am trying to understand (= validate + document) the
process and platform (senate/congress) on which retrogression will be addressed.
process and platform on which interim measure can be introduced.
effect of each interim measure.
more...
stldude
08-14 08:03 AM
The receipt no. had SRC***** in it and when i looked it up online i saw a note stating " your applicaiton is with our Texas Center". I did send it to NSC on Jul 2.
I understand that. What I wanted to know was what number you have? SRC or LIN? And also to confirm, if it was cashed by TSC? and not the case that it was cashed by NSC and then scheduled to be transfer to TSC?
As you had said "I think it got transferred to TSC". You mean it really got? or you think?
Thanks
I understand that. What I wanted to know was what number you have? SRC or LIN? And also to confirm, if it was cashed by TSC? and not the case that it was cashed by NSC and then scheduled to be transfer to TSC?
As you had said "I think it got transferred to TSC". You mean it really got? or you think?
Thanks
pani_6
09-10 11:38 AM
Is the Visa Bull right or the Mumbia console??..which :o one..
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prem_goel
11-17 09:50 PM
done
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abq_gc
08-18 02:49 PM
Well CLEARLY you CANNOT.
AND STOP Cursing on this forum, it is NOT your personal property. If you are that HIGHLY skilled as you claim to be, stop behaving like an uncouth idiot.
so the best u can reply is by cursing me...clearly shows ur an EB-3... nothing innovating in your genes...i assume hahahaa
AND STOP Cursing on this forum, it is NOT your personal property. If you are that HIGHLY skilled as you claim to be, stop behaving like an uncouth idiot.
so the best u can reply is by cursing me...clearly shows ur an EB-3... nothing innovating in your genes...i assume hahahaa
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desi3933
07-08 10:45 AM
The entire process of immigrating to US via a employment based system is so loosely organized and puts people in unfair situations.
I agree. Since Employment based immigration is driven by Employer needs, employer has the bigger say.
It is just not desi employers or consulting companies, in general, but any employer can have an upper hand on you when you are at their mercy.
Since the process is driven by Employer needs, whole immigration process depends on it. Is it fair from employee point of view? Most likely, not. But, thats how current laws are in place. Changing these laws are not easy, to say the least.
People say big companies have policies and they abide. I agree, but it is not always the case. If someone is in business - they do things in their business interest - if dealing with USCIS is getting difficult - they may say "enough of it - no more responding to RFEs".
One person contacted me - he is having a fulltime job and filed for AC21. he got RFE for EVL 2 times. The first time his HR gave EVL without any hasstles, the second time she was pissed, said "We do not want to deal with this - I have contacted legal and they recommend not to issue such letters".
Now such a situation puts this person in a tough spot -the issue is not because of his employer because his employer did give a proper letter but USCIS asked it again.
Just imagine what is this person's situation for no fault of his?
This is really a very unfortunate situation.
The big difference between EAD (for AC-21) and GC is that AC-21 employer has to provide supporting EVL document to continue pending I-485. Now, it is upto the applicant how he/she passes this information to the employer when he/she joins that AC-21 job.
Now, many would pass clear info to AC21 employer that they would EVL to support their GC process (I-485) and no other sponsorship is required. Now, its upto their mutual agreement on EVL. Employer is, within his rights, not to support or issue AC-21 EVL letter.
On the practical side, vast majority of employer have no issues with such EVL letters.
Big companies, of course, go with their legal team recommendation as their main purpose to run their business with least legal hassels.
We can always argue that "If you are worth and if company wants to retain you then they will not have any issues" - which once again may not always be true because we all know how relationships work out at companies - with ass kissing, nepotism, situations, financial etc......
It is two-way street. If employer is really good, employee will make extra effort on his job. IF employee is valuable (from employer's point of view), most employer will go extra mile to retain him/her. I have seen many such incidents in 12+ years of professional career.
There is, of course, work politics involved too. Bitching about co-worker, a$$ kissing, nepotism is part of it.
I have seen cases, where one team member is making 115k and another team member, at same role, is making just 85k. This may be unfair, but legal.
---------------
Life is not fair; get used to it. - Bill Gates
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
.
I agree. Since Employment based immigration is driven by Employer needs, employer has the bigger say.
It is just not desi employers or consulting companies, in general, but any employer can have an upper hand on you when you are at their mercy.
Since the process is driven by Employer needs, whole immigration process depends on it. Is it fair from employee point of view? Most likely, not. But, thats how current laws are in place. Changing these laws are not easy, to say the least.
People say big companies have policies and they abide. I agree, but it is not always the case. If someone is in business - they do things in their business interest - if dealing with USCIS is getting difficult - they may say "enough of it - no more responding to RFEs".
One person contacted me - he is having a fulltime job and filed for AC21. he got RFE for EVL 2 times. The first time his HR gave EVL without any hasstles, the second time she was pissed, said "We do not want to deal with this - I have contacted legal and they recommend not to issue such letters".
Now such a situation puts this person in a tough spot -the issue is not because of his employer because his employer did give a proper letter but USCIS asked it again.
Just imagine what is this person's situation for no fault of his?
This is really a very unfortunate situation.
The big difference between EAD (for AC-21) and GC is that AC-21 employer has to provide supporting EVL document to continue pending I-485. Now, it is upto the applicant how he/she passes this information to the employer when he/she joins that AC-21 job.
Now, many would pass clear info to AC21 employer that they would EVL to support their GC process (I-485) and no other sponsorship is required. Now, its upto their mutual agreement on EVL. Employer is, within his rights, not to support or issue AC-21 EVL letter.
On the practical side, vast majority of employer have no issues with such EVL letters.
Big companies, of course, go with their legal team recommendation as their main purpose to run their business with least legal hassels.
We can always argue that "If you are worth and if company wants to retain you then they will not have any issues" - which once again may not always be true because we all know how relationships work out at companies - with ass kissing, nepotism, situations, financial etc......
It is two-way street. If employer is really good, employee will make extra effort on his job. IF employee is valuable (from employer's point of view), most employer will go extra mile to retain him/her. I have seen many such incidents in 12+ years of professional career.
There is, of course, work politics involved too. Bitching about co-worker, a$$ kissing, nepotism is part of it.
I have seen cases, where one team member is making 115k and another team member, at same role, is making just 85k. This may be unfair, but legal.
---------------
Life is not fair; get used to it. - Bill Gates
Success is a lousy teacher. It seduces smart people into thinking they can't lose. - Bill Gates
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manishcp
09-10 12:05 PM
Follwoing user name person got his check cashed.
"rajvepa"
His appication reached at NSC 11:14AM and signed by F HEINAUER
"rajvepa"
His appication reached at NSC 11:14AM and signed by F HEINAUER
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sanju_dba
11-17 03:34 PM
Done!
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sledge_hammer
04-22 08:02 AM
The news is terrible...
But I admire the courage he showed during his difficult times.
I agree with you dealsnet. We, the members of IV, should take up this issue and try to help his family.
ArkBird, any ideas how we can help?
We the employment based immigrant community to do some thing to help his family. May be by contributions, and help his family to get his benefits from the company he worked, any insurance, IRA, 401K etc.....
Hiis spouse may not have the ability do these things from a foreign country. Some body from IV must contact his family now based in Sweden. This is my suggestion.
But I admire the courage he showed during his difficult times.
I agree with you dealsnet. We, the members of IV, should take up this issue and try to help his family.
ArkBird, any ideas how we can help?
We the employment based immigrant community to do some thing to help his family. May be by contributions, and help his family to get his benefits from the company he worked, any insurance, IRA, 401K etc.....
Hiis spouse may not have the ability do these things from a foreign country. Some body from IV must contact his family now based in Sweden. This is my suggestion.
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Jaime
06-26 10:49 AM
Santosh_gc, I agree with you when you ask "how can illegals be granted a path to citizenship, etc" I am from Mexico and I am as much against that as you, or even more! All those illegal aliens are essentially getting a free ride and the U.S. is trying to act all "Mother Teresa" with them just to attract the vote of Hispanics. It's sickening!
At the same time, you do stereotype Mexico and that is unfair. Yes, the majority of illegals are Mexicans and that is simply because of geography. How do you explain the tens of thousands of illegals from Canada and Great Britain? (Canada is the #4 country source of illegal immigrants in the U.S. Just check the USCIS statistics page: http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/illegalalien/#Table1)
You claim you are not racist. Think again
At the same time, you do stereotype Mexico and that is unfair. Yes, the majority of illegals are Mexicans and that is simply because of geography. How do you explain the tens of thousands of illegals from Canada and Great Britain? (Canada is the #4 country source of illegal immigrants in the U.S. Just check the USCIS statistics page: http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/illegalalien/#Table1)
You claim you are not racist. Think again
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aa_ke_phas_gaya
05-08 05:06 PM
CIR is not going to happen, even if it happens there will be nothing for Employment Based Legal Immigration.
Any large immigration overhaul is not going to work in current economic climate.
And yes, you can not file a law suit for a law that we all were aware of while entering this country. No doubt those who are waiting for long time and are in the country for long time are in miserable condition but I don't think law suit is an option. But I certainly believe government is not aware of true picture of this situation.
I would like to take initiative and present the situation to senate and president's office. However I don't want to do this without approval of senior IV members. This would help those who are in country for long time and have been waiting for long time.
Senior members, please advise.
Any large immigration overhaul is not going to work in current economic climate.
And yes, you can not file a law suit for a law that we all were aware of while entering this country. No doubt those who are waiting for long time and are in the country for long time are in miserable condition but I don't think law suit is an option. But I certainly believe government is not aware of true picture of this situation.
I would like to take initiative and present the situation to senate and president's office. However I don't want to do this without approval of senior IV members. This would help those who are in country for long time and have been waiting for long time.
Senior members, please advise.
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sam_gada
07-11 02:52 PM
Hi Friends, I came to know about this protest and would like to pass on the information about the protest to Indian Student Assocaition [strength over 600 active members] at San Jose state University and possible Santa Clara University. I am sure my fellow students will be proud to contribute to the indian community. So, Kindly let me know more details ASAP becuase its already wednesday. My email is sampathg4@yahoo.com.
- Sampath Gadamsetty
- Sampath Gadamsetty
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sathweb
07-08 09:12 AM
I definetly believe the captions we write are going to come in the news. So, writing good message will make it more memorable. We have to come up with many of such messages.
How about this:
"Respected senator,
They say backlog elimination. We say a Measure to keep us out. Please check the facts and let UICIS hear what you say."
How about this:
"Respected senator,
They say backlog elimination. We say a Measure to keep us out. Please check the facts and let UICIS hear what you say."
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simple1
05-02 03:21 PM
I am unable to get into the donar thread. I did donate yesterday.
Could you please post the information in this thread. or Admin provide me access to donar thread ?
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=338410#post338410
Could you please post the information in this thread. or Admin provide me access to donar thread ?
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=338410#post338410
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LostInGCProcess
08-29 01:45 AM
So if USCIS takes an year to process my extension, what are the impacts to me after the current H-1B expires? Would I have issues in traveling?
While your H1 is in pending state and you go out of the country, USCIS would consider it as 'abandoned'.
While your H1 is in pending state and you go out of the country, USCIS would consider it as 'abandoned'.
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Administrator2
09-23 01:47 PM
"EB-2 India. This category is expected to remain unchanged or to move very slowly forward (by a week or so) in the short-term. This is mainly caused by the fact that many EB-3 India applicants (there are approximately 60,000 EB-3 India pending cases) are “porting” their priority dates into the EB-2 India category and are thus taking visa numbers.
EB2 India is slowwly becoming EB3 as thousands are porting from EB3 to EB2. Some of them are really worthy of EB2 and some of them are fradulent.
EB2 India applicants should wake up from their celebratio of a few months leap and get ready for slow movement or retro.
Guys wake up and fight to make the porting rules veryu strong if not stop porting. The rule should be if I140 for porting is denied then the applicatnt should loose his/her initial EB3 priority date also as he /she has indicated that he/she is no longer working in the position as described in EB3 labor. This will make sure that fradulent applicants cannot port from EB3 to EB2.
P.S: I know I will get thousands of REDs. I do not care... EB2 I guys wake up.. Time is running out.. EB2 I will very quickly become same as EB3I.
Careful my friend. Porting rules will be as tough as the rules for applying in Eb2. If you make porting difficult, you will set a higher standard for the approval of your application in Eb2 ending up with the possible rejection of yours and other Eb2 applications.
Why would you want to stop someone eligible to apply in Eb2? If someone has met all the criteria, the same criteria you had to fulfill when applying in Eb2, then what is the problem?
EB2 India is slowwly becoming EB3 as thousands are porting from EB3 to EB2. Some of them are really worthy of EB2 and some of them are fradulent.
EB2 India applicants should wake up from their celebratio of a few months leap and get ready for slow movement or retro.
Guys wake up and fight to make the porting rules veryu strong if not stop porting. The rule should be if I140 for porting is denied then the applicatnt should loose his/her initial EB3 priority date also as he /she has indicated that he/she is no longer working in the position as described in EB3 labor. This will make sure that fradulent applicants cannot port from EB3 to EB2.
P.S: I know I will get thousands of REDs. I do not care... EB2 I guys wake up.. Time is running out.. EB2 I will very quickly become same as EB3I.
Careful my friend. Porting rules will be as tough as the rules for applying in Eb2. If you make porting difficult, you will set a higher standard for the approval of your application in Eb2 ending up with the possible rejection of yours and other Eb2 applications.
Why would you want to stop someone eligible to apply in Eb2? If someone has met all the criteria, the same criteria you had to fulfill when applying in Eb2, then what is the problem?
spicy_guy
02-01 12:59 PM
I just visited last month. I stayed there for 6 weeks...
Agree that economy is booking but....
(1) too much pollution.
(2) No infrastructure to handle cars and two wheeleers.
(3) too much mosquito even in winter/summer. I do not know what will happen in rainy days.
(4) prices for every item have gone up by 3X..Most of the item I am not able to justify the rise. The quality of the product has not gone up.
(5) easy to set up business..get house...get car but tough to drive peacefully...need to pray god every morning so that we come back home with 2 hands and 2 legs and unbroken body parts.
(6) Club culture is booming too...so if you have daughter who is teen then need to check by that angle too.
Just my two cents....
Agree to all of them. but biggest thing to beat them all above in US is Medical insurance. you can live here in this country as long as everything is going well.
Talk about the Job situ, if you are out of job for a month, its a hell..but not in India.
Agree that economy is booking but....
(1) too much pollution.
(2) No infrastructure to handle cars and two wheeleers.
(3) too much mosquito even in winter/summer. I do not know what will happen in rainy days.
(4) prices for every item have gone up by 3X..Most of the item I am not able to justify the rise. The quality of the product has not gone up.
(5) easy to set up business..get house...get car but tough to drive peacefully...need to pray god every morning so that we come back home with 2 hands and 2 legs and unbroken body parts.
(6) Club culture is booming too...so if you have daughter who is teen then need to check by that angle too.
Just my two cents....
Agree to all of them. but biggest thing to beat them all above in US is Medical insurance. you can live here in this country as long as everything is going well.
Talk about the Job situ, if you are out of job for a month, its a hell..but not in India.
gjoe
10-08 03:46 PM
A rich man had a bunch of horses and donkeys. He used some to carry the load and some he tried to breed for participating in races. He was trying something but not very effeciently.
When we have a mix of people like in this forum, you will see different people, different thoughts, ideas and talent. A leader with patience can put to use more than 90% of the resources (members), if he knows what he/she is doing. No matter how many times you ask some will never go to rallies, some will never participate in state chapters, some will never contribute money, etc. Trying to get everybody to do the same thing is never going to work. Please don't mistake me or take offence. All that I am saying is "Horse should be for races and donkeys should be for carrying the load" In no way the donkey is inferior to the horse or vice versa.
BTW I work for the goverment and I know a little bit more than what you know about it. I am not saying this to belittle you but just mentioning my opinion
Firstly, no one can shut down thoughts. They are inside your head. What I am saying is that match your thoughts with your actions, not just expression of thoughts. If you want to express your ideas and thoughts, do it in a way that its heard by people that matter. Your ideas and thoughts heard by other people like you is meaningless. If you can match ACTIONS to propogate your thoughts, by hauling your ass to Washington DC, spending some $$ out of pocket on travel to DC and meeting with a few of the 535 offices, then it matters. Otherwise your idea is not worth 2 cents sitting on forums read by people who are not legislators.
Secondly, YOU THINK that asking USCIS to follow the rules is easier than changing rules (thru legislation). That's because , you and many others like you, think of Government function as if its an IT project. Occupational hazard. That is not how the Government works. The reason they dont follow the rules is because they (1) dont care and (2) are not accountable. USCIS and its non-FIFO procedures, FBI namecheck delays, backlogs in receipting and adjudication of 140 (Atlanta PERM) etc is something that congress cannot fix. USCIS, FBI report to DHS and DOJ respectively and they in turn, report to the White House. Congress can rarely make them work better and make them answer for mistakes, as congress can only do "Oversight" hearings on them. Haul an agency or department head in front of a committee and ask questions (pre submitted). And ask them questions. Make some show on CSPAN. At the end of the day, if Administration tell congress - "GET LOST, mind your own business, this is the best we can do and we are doing it", then congress cannot do anything. Other than impeaching someone. No one is going to impeach Mike Chertoff because one of his agencies (USCIS) is not doing FIFO on something called 485 (which no one in DC knows what it is).
Congressional input rarely works. Example: Intervention of Congress during July bulletin. You know why? Because Congress HAD TO DO IT because of the uproar. I dont see any uproar and your issues like "there is no FIFO", "My PERM is stuck in Atlant for 6 months", or "I am stuck in namecheck for 4 years".
These things need lobbying the Administration. Lobbying the administration is MUCH MORE DIFFICULT and EXPENSIVE than lobbying congress. Why? Because each office of Congress has a boss that faces elections very often. Every 2 years in House and every 6 years in the Senate. Plus they have 535 offices (435 in House, 100 in senate). That means easier access. On the other hand, there is only one office heading USCIS, office of Emelio Gonzalez, and only one Michael Chertoff and only one DOJ and its FBI. So the access of more difficult and lobbying is more expensive.
When it comes to administration, you have limited leverage. Other than 2 people in the entire administration, no one is getting job by elections. The only 2 positions in this branch of Government that are elected and directly accountable to people are President and Vice President. Mike Chertoff of DHS or Emelio Gonzalez of USCIS wont lose next election coz those are on appointed positions not elected positions. Which also means that they dont have to worry about making people angry.
So you see, ASKING for good things like FIFO and Faster namecheck is great in theory. But please understand, from a civic lession viewpoint, the 3 branches of government viewpoint and then make suggestions.
Is Immigration Voice an organization that can raise 100,000 a month each month? NO. Not right now. Right now, people are busy checking their mailboxes for EAD cards. Out of 23,000 registered members, if each contribute $5 a month (equivalent to a burger, fries and coke), it is 100,000 a month. But it wont happen.
So until that happens, feel free to express your thoughts and opinions and brilliant ideas and happy forum discussion. If that's what makes you all happy and content.
When we have a mix of people like in this forum, you will see different people, different thoughts, ideas and talent. A leader with patience can put to use more than 90% of the resources (members), if he knows what he/she is doing. No matter how many times you ask some will never go to rallies, some will never participate in state chapters, some will never contribute money, etc. Trying to get everybody to do the same thing is never going to work. Please don't mistake me or take offence. All that I am saying is "Horse should be for races and donkeys should be for carrying the load" In no way the donkey is inferior to the horse or vice versa.
BTW I work for the goverment and I know a little bit more than what you know about it. I am not saying this to belittle you but just mentioning my opinion
Firstly, no one can shut down thoughts. They are inside your head. What I am saying is that match your thoughts with your actions, not just expression of thoughts. If you want to express your ideas and thoughts, do it in a way that its heard by people that matter. Your ideas and thoughts heard by other people like you is meaningless. If you can match ACTIONS to propogate your thoughts, by hauling your ass to Washington DC, spending some $$ out of pocket on travel to DC and meeting with a few of the 535 offices, then it matters. Otherwise your idea is not worth 2 cents sitting on forums read by people who are not legislators.
Secondly, YOU THINK that asking USCIS to follow the rules is easier than changing rules (thru legislation). That's because , you and many others like you, think of Government function as if its an IT project. Occupational hazard. That is not how the Government works. The reason they dont follow the rules is because they (1) dont care and (2) are not accountable. USCIS and its non-FIFO procedures, FBI namecheck delays, backlogs in receipting and adjudication of 140 (Atlanta PERM) etc is something that congress cannot fix. USCIS, FBI report to DHS and DOJ respectively and they in turn, report to the White House. Congress can rarely make them work better and make them answer for mistakes, as congress can only do "Oversight" hearings on them. Haul an agency or department head in front of a committee and ask questions (pre submitted). And ask them questions. Make some show on CSPAN. At the end of the day, if Administration tell congress - "GET LOST, mind your own business, this is the best we can do and we are doing it", then congress cannot do anything. Other than impeaching someone. No one is going to impeach Mike Chertoff because one of his agencies (USCIS) is not doing FIFO on something called 485 (which no one in DC knows what it is).
Congressional input rarely works. Example: Intervention of Congress during July bulletin. You know why? Because Congress HAD TO DO IT because of the uproar. I dont see any uproar and your issues like "there is no FIFO", "My PERM is stuck in Atlant for 6 months", or "I am stuck in namecheck for 4 years".
These things need lobbying the Administration. Lobbying the administration is MUCH MORE DIFFICULT and EXPENSIVE than lobbying congress. Why? Because each office of Congress has a boss that faces elections very often. Every 2 years in House and every 6 years in the Senate. Plus they have 535 offices (435 in House, 100 in senate). That means easier access. On the other hand, there is only one office heading USCIS, office of Emelio Gonzalez, and only one Michael Chertoff and only one DOJ and its FBI. So the access of more difficult and lobbying is more expensive.
When it comes to administration, you have limited leverage. Other than 2 people in the entire administration, no one is getting job by elections. The only 2 positions in this branch of Government that are elected and directly accountable to people are President and Vice President. Mike Chertoff of DHS or Emelio Gonzalez of USCIS wont lose next election coz those are on appointed positions not elected positions. Which also means that they dont have to worry about making people angry.
So you see, ASKING for good things like FIFO and Faster namecheck is great in theory. But please understand, from a civic lession viewpoint, the 3 branches of government viewpoint and then make suggestions.
Is Immigration Voice an organization that can raise 100,000 a month each month? NO. Not right now. Right now, people are busy checking their mailboxes for EAD cards. Out of 23,000 registered members, if each contribute $5 a month (equivalent to a burger, fries and coke), it is 100,000 a month. But it wont happen.
So until that happens, feel free to express your thoughts and opinions and brilliant ideas and happy forum discussion. If that's what makes you all happy and content.
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